This list can be expanded to even more with the odd head sizes and obsolete brass currently available. Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia forgotten weapons. This is the classic book with all the information needed to make hundreds of different calibers. She said i need to go check it out as they have a bunch of gun books. The thuers conversion revolvers were one of the few developments that.
Ken howells designing and forming custom cartridges for rifles and handguns hardback i bought this one new for over. Colts manufacturing company, llc cmc, formerly colts patent firearms manufacturing company is an american firearms manufacturer, founded in 1855 by samuel colt. All models of their original series conversion cylinders are designed for use with either. Collectors and enthusiasts can track the history of the ori.
The nook book ebook of the the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. Fake colt model 1860 thuer conversion army nra museums. Read the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. The key patent relating to the metallic cartridge, cylinders bored endtoend, was.
Originator of the 45 60 250 brimstone conversion of the dragoon and walker. Colt richards conversion 1860 army forgotten weapons. Now for the bad boys who unconscionably ignored and infringed on the white patent bacon manufacturing company norwich, ct manufactured numerous infringing pistols, most notable were. Cylinder and back plate fit together without screws. All models of their original series conversion cylinders are designed for use with either smokeless cowboy ammunition or black powder ammunition. The home guide to cartridge conversions by george c. Feb 23, 2015 the get around this, thuer developed his own proprietary centerfire cartridge with no rim and a very slight taper. Switch from percussion to cartridge by changing cylinders. Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia forgotten. After the arrival of that first cartridge firing revolver. Metallic cartridge conversions by dennis adler goodreads.
Later the richards mason model came out, as a simplified modification of the richards conversion. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversion by john j. It just requires resizing the neck then trimming it. Instead they tried to circumvent it, beginning in 1869, with the thuer conversion. To reload, just drop the cylinder, pull the plate off and dump the fired. I would reccommend this book as a really good guide to cartridge conversion. Set of 3 cartridge conversion books if this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the link above. Excellent book for collectors and old west shooters. Conversion cylinders if your not sure about which cylinder will best fit your needs give old south a call and we will do our best to answer your questions. They were not very commercially successful, only about 5,000 were made. Colt is known for the engineering, production, and marketing of firearms, most especially between the 1850s and world war i, when it. This manual offers the handloader all the physical data, howto designs, tools and drawings needed to convert modern, easily obtainable materials into more than 900 rifle and.
Howell old west conversions howell cylinders and back plates are made from certified 4150 arsenal grade steel for insuring strength and durability. The first such gun was the thuer conversion, followed by the much better richards conversion, and finally the simplified richardsmason conversion in addition to. The first metallic cartridge revolver made by colt was the thuerconversion model revolver, a design that would not require a cylinder with cylindrical chambers so as not to infringe on the rollin white patent. Revolver, colt thuer conversion of model 1861 navy, serial number 28822, made by. Having said that, i should point out that at least one other variation may exist, that being an experimental frankford arsenal insideprimed. I would seriously question anything written by the authors before purchasing their work. The thuer casing is made of two parts, a tapered brass cylindrical body and the internal brass primer assembly at the base. Fake colt model 1860 thuer conversion army manufactured between 1869 and 1872, thuer conversion revolvers were colts first metallic cartridge pistols.
Read unlimited books and audiobooks on the web, ipad, iphone and android. Browse all new and used colt revolvers conversion 18671878 for sale and buy with confidence from guns international. It is the successor corporation to colts earlier firearmsmaking efforts, which started in 1836. Case reforming cartridge conversions by molly i asked molly to put together some details on case reforming as he has done quite a bit of it over the years and for many today who are used to the abundance of good. Mains, planters from south carolina, and hazards, industrialists from pennsylvania, during the civil war. Find out more about the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. Creator date created undated object type photographic print source original 1 photographic print. Likes received 146 likes given 101 mini statistics.
Colt 1860 army richards cartridge conversion revolver. Apr 28, 1987 now available for the first time since 2003, the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions offers the handloader all the physical data, howto designs, tools, and drawings needed to convert modern, easily obtainable materials into more than 1,000 different rifle and pistol cartridge cases, ranging from the obsolete patterns to modern, cuttingedge wildcats. The nipplelike portion of the primer assembly is also. The home guide to cartridge conversions 9780882270050 by nonte, george and a great selection of similar new, used and collectible books available now at great prices. Thuer conversion colt 1849 at james d julia february 24, 2015 ian mccollum conversion, revolver, video 10 as the selfcontained metallic cartridge because popular, a niche industry developed in converting percussion revolvers to use the new cartridges. Before the richards conversion was the thuer conversions, but they were not practical because of the reverse tapered cartridge and did not sell very well.
Buy the home guide to cartridge conversions by george c. The white patent was due to expire in 1869, and it was obvious sales of the thuer conversion were not going to take off. Colt revolvers conversion 18671878 for sale colt revolvers conversion 18671878 for sale. When the white patent expired in 1870, the colt firm rushed into. The cartridges for colts thuer conversions i included a picture of the two cartridges in the middle of this picture on my august 2004 picture page, but am now including the other two variations of the thuer cartridges that make up the complete set. After the rollin white patent expired, richards came up with his conversion model. The book is also riddled with typos and other obviously false details, such as listing 9mm makarov as a rimmed cartridge. The thuer conversion was the first colt revolver to utilize a metallic cartridge and is a scarce and historically significant revolver that is missing from many of the antique colt arms collections. The various conversion systems used by colt are known as the thuer, followed by. Basically a copy of the no 3 colt theur derringer in the smaller.
Us military cartridge conversion revolvers sass wire. This conversion did not last very long, although some sources say as many as 5,000 were made, because it was soon replaced by a better solution, the richards conversion. The action is somewhat sticky at times, but does seem to be functioning in a reasonable fashion. The original colt cartridge conversions built mostly on 1851 navy.
When the white patent expired in 1870, the colt firm rushed into the market for large caliber metallic cartridge revolvers. Another shortcoming of the thuer conversions was the complicated system of reloading, which involved a two position loading tool with several small accessories, used in conjunction with the pistol, minus its cylinder and conversion ring, and employing the loading lever for repriming the cases, seating the bullets, and removing stuck cartridges. Booktopia has the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. Colts first effort toward a metallic cartridge revolver was by conversion of existing percussion revolvers. The get around this, thuer developed his own proprietary centerfire cartridge with no rim and a very slight taper. The first of these conversions was patented on september 15, 1868 by colt engineer, f. Read the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions online by.
The answer was a series of cartridge conversions guns which could fire the new cartridges but could be built from the large existing stockpiles of percussion revolver components. These cartridges were loaded from the front of the cylinder and pressfit into place. Colt pistols derringer for sale guns international. The thuer conversions were produced from 1869 until 1872. Colt developed a series of designs that could be used to convert an existing percussion gun to a cartridge revolver. A small number about 1500 of model 1851 navy revolvers was converted, using frontloaded, slightly tapered cartridges to fit. Love and war, after the title of the original novel is a 1986 6part miniseries, the second part of a trilogy adapted from trilogy of novels north and south by john jakes. Howell old west conversions old south firearms, llc. Howell old west conversions cylinders and back plates are made from certified 4150 arsenal grade steel for insuring strength and durability.
Figure 10colts entry the thuer patent conversion, using a frontloading, tapered, reloadable cartridge figure 11the thuer reloading device in place. John and judy donnelly have published a pretty cool book for those of us who like to. I shoot two reproduction open top colts in competition and enjoyed reading about their history. This is the rimless thuer showing the modified rammer. The two separate parts of the case are readily apparent in the small section from the drawing for the british patent on the pistol, shown above, and in the picture shown here of a sectioned.
The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by john j. Eligible for free shipping cartridge conversion sleeve insert. Patterned after an original remington design for a dropin fit. The thuer conversion was from cap and ball to metallic cartridge. Feb 28, 2017 this is the rimless thuer showing the modified rammer. To get around this restriction, colt came up with the thuer conversion to allow the cylinder of a converted 1860 army to be loaded from the front with a tapered cartridge. Sam colt strongly believed shooters would always prefer percussion revolvers allowing them to load their own. It has colts patent on left side of the frame in an unusual pattern. Thuer conversion, 8x44thuer with a very decent bore considering the hardused exterior condition. Life has steered me in other directions so i need to get these books to someone who can use them. The dimensions appear to all have been asmeasured instead of to a specification. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversionsnook book. Ive included in the pictures a couple of observations from bruce mcdowells excellent book a study of colt conversions and other percussion revolvers. Overall, i would not trust this book in the slightest.
The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions by. Colt model 1860 army, thuer conversion, disassembled flickr. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions 9781616082383. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions donnelly, john j towsley, bryce. The attempt met little success, but examples surviving from the 5,000 made form a prized category for colt collectors. Sixround conversion cylinder converts steel frame, cap and ball revolvers to modern centerfire. Stoegers classic handloading guide, the handloaders manual of cartridge conversion has been revised with a new, easytoreference format and additional cartridge data. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions paperback. These books have been great reference manuals for my brass converting projects and just finding load data for obsolete cartridges. Now available for the first time since 2003, the handloaders manual of cartridge conversions offers the handloader all the physical data, howto designs, tools, and drawings needed to convert modern, easily obtainable materials into more than 1,000 different rifle and pistol cartridge cases, ranging from the obsolete patterns to modern, cuttingedge wildcats. The handloaders manual of cartridge conversions book by john. Colts metallic central fire cartridges, original unopened box.
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